Curse

Gedscho · Jul 03, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Dax

I know why people rush and if they want to do it cool....but that doesn't make it any less cheap. And yes I do agree there need to be level limits on armor.

you can also get rushed to droknars for the SKILLS, which is would make a lot of the previous pve more interesting. but i guess you already knew that, since you know why people wanna get rushed.

i did my first rush yesterday. But not to droknars. from ascalon to sanctum cay, then to desert. ascended at 14. if you think it is that easy, and CHEAP, go ahead, AND TRY YOURSELF. be a good boy. dont buy armor for the arena.
But try to ascend at that level.

I can tell you one thing: the last two playing days were the most guild wars fun i ever had. the whole guild had a lot of fun, we explored areas we never saw, met new friends (and members now

) and now have more chars with more skillpoints in our guild to unlock all the skills.

If you fear someone, who needs to bash people in low arenas with droknars armor, youre not much of a good player. Find nice people that know theyre way around, get some lectures, and then beat a droknar-rushed to pulp.
Chances are none of them are in an arena anyways, and you lost to equal people

but hey, maybe one day, you can create a char, and ill give you a hike, not to droknars (i didnt learn how to do that yet) but to ascension. bet you will like it. maybe you stop being so stubborn then.

Ascension · Jul 03, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

On a side note - I ran to Dunes with a caster monk today while with a ranger. We both took = hits then I sacrificed at the end. Teamwork > all if you're not godly!

LathalDraugr · Jul 03, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

From the point of view of a rusher and someone who takes the long way round I don't really see what the problem is. If you want to take the time to explore and run through the missions normally like I do why does it matter if someone gets rushed through? I can certainly see why on the second or third time through a shortcut to make things faster not necessarily easier is a good thing. Personally I'm never going to have a character run from Beacons Perch to Droknar even though I run other people for cash. It's their choice, why does it affect me?

I've only being rushing people for a few days and haven't failed to get anyone to Droknars yet (aside from two guys who jumped out at Rankor to avoid paying). I may not be the fastest or best but I've made money faster than I could ever manage to get by farming or playing the economy and I get a real challenge in PvE, why is this a problem?

What I do is no worse than people who farm intensively or people who play the economy to make money. I'd like to think it's better since the cash is just a nice bonus. It's the thrill and the challenge which are going to keep me coming back.

Shameless Self-Promotion

: If anyone wants run I'm usually happy to help.

IGN: Hrodric Holmgard

I usually charge 4k per person or a flat 10k for any size group (1-5) that doesn't want to hang around waiting for me to form a party. Not claiming to be the best or fastest but I haven't failed anyone yet. (I'm on the European server)

shinseikaze · Jul 03, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

whats the problem of rushing.....if someone is willing to take you their or for a fee.....in order to obtain the best armour in game statwise the rest of missions would be a breeze

Note: I recently rushed my Lvl12 warrior to D.Forge in order to use him for GvG purposes asap

I have 2 lvl20 characters already and dont fill like completing in all of the repetitive missions and quests again

Dax · Jul 03, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

you can also get rushed to droknars for the SKILLS, which is would make a lot of the previous pve more interesting. but i guess you already knew that, since you know why people wanna get rushed.

Yes I did thanks for claifying though

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

i did my first rush yesterday. But not to droknars. from ascalon to sanctum cay, then to desert. ascended at 14. if you think it is that easy, and CHEAP, go ahead, AND TRY YOURSELF. be a good boy. dont buy armor for the arena.
But try to ascend at that level.

That's quite an accomplishment. I don't think I ever mentioned ascention, so I don't know if you really got the point of my post so let me reiterate:

If you can get through without paying a high level to merely port you through
each zone then you are awesome. badass, elite- whatever word you want me to use.

But if yo pay someone to port you by dying while the other guy runs through through from zone to zone, that is a cheap exploit. I'm glad you found a way through, I don't know how you did it. But if anyone uses that method you'll never convince me otherwise.

For some reason or another you're confusing the actual exploit for reason to go. If you didn't get there that way I never inferred that you did that is great. I just object to that method...evidently you're quite defensive about it

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

I can tell you one thing: the last two playing days were the most guild wars fun i ever had. the whole guild had a lot of fun, we explored areas we never saw, met new friends (and members now

) and now have more chars with more skillpoints in our guild to unlock all the skills.

If you fear someone, who needs to bash people in low arenas with droknars armor, youre not much of a good player. Find nice people that know theyre way around, get some lectures, and then beat a droknar-rushed to pulp.
Chances are none of them are in an arena anyways, and you lost to equal people

I'm glad your enjoying yourself...seriously. I enjoy myself tremndously and yes I jump into PvP from time to time. I don't think I've ever bashed people who have that armor in the arenas, but you'll excuse me if I'm not too impressed becasue probably paid someone to help them get it. If they get it by themselves THEN I will be impressed.

Ironically in most games, most people can brag because rely on their own skills.. not the one they have to pay someone to help get. (disclaimer: not saying you did or not) just a thought.

NoChance · Jul 03, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

aside from the obvious problem of using droknar's armor in low level arenas (which i think is completely unacceptable), i think for Anet, there are a couple of negative aspects of rushing...

if you rush and get droknar's armor to make the game easier, then the game will become easier, and you may get bored with the game quicker (no challenge) -- this may cause you to quit the game.. bad for Anet.

also, having this great armor may cause you to be lazy and not learn your profession properly... causing you to get really frustrated later on in the game -- this again may cause you to quit the game... again, bad for Anet.

as for the PvP aspect, where you need to get skills ... i have no problem with rushing for that purpose.

Dax · Jul 03, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr

From the point of view of a rusher and someone who takes the long way round I don't really see what the problem is. If you want to take the time to explore and run through the missions normally like I do why does it matter if someone gets rushed through? I can certainly see why on the second or third time through a shortcut to make things faster not necessarily easier is a good thing. Personally I'm never going to have a character run from Beacons Perch to Droknar even though I run other people for cash. It's their choice, why does it affect me?

I've only being rushing people for a few days and haven't failed to get anyone to Droknars yet (aside from two guys who jumped out at Rankor to avoid paying). I may not be the fastest or best but I've made money faster than I could ever manage to get by farming or playing the economy and I get a real challenge in PvE, why is this a problem?

What I do is no worse than people who farm intensively or people who play the economy to make money. I'd like to think it's better since the cash is just a nice bonus. It's the thrill and the challenge which are going to keep me coming back.

Shameless Self-Promotion

: If anyone wants run I'm usually happy to help.

IGN: Hrodric Holmgard

I usually charge 4k per person or a flat 10k for any size group (1-5) that doesn't want to hang around waiting for me to form a party. Not claiming to be the best or fastest but I haven't failed anyone yet. (I'm on the European server)

Gee, since you profit from it it really doesn't surprise me that you'd see no problem with it. I'm sure people who run bots can give you all sorts of reasons why they do it...and see nothing wrong with it. Does that make it right?

But that is a cheap shot I appologise. If you actually have people who are running with run through the zone points alive. Rationalising why you do what you do is a separate issue though. If thats the way you want to make money and if they allow it then that's your perrogative. I do notice however no one wants to try to rationalise the actual exploit just the reason for doing so.

So yea you make alot of money, you have fun, and people who don't want to play through the game get thier armor (and whatever else early) early... I'm sure you see nothing wrong with it. But it doesn't make it right nesessarily.

***Shameless game promotion
Play the game through, enjoy the ride. The developers worked hard so you would have a rich gaming experience. You'll save yourself 4k (atleast) and you'll have a greater sense of satifaction. Imagine you didn't have to pay someone to help you, how cheesy is that? Advice: free of charge

Lasher Dragon · Jul 03, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Has anyone rushed/been rushed from Droknar's to Granite Citadel? Man the devs sure went haywire in Frozen Forest... what the hell is with all the Summit Arcanists having elite skills? IMO if you cannot capture an elite skill from an enemy, that enemy should not have it. Then there is the matter of the bajillion Stone Summit patrolling the area - I sat back and counted one (1) patrol and it had over 40 dwarves in it! WTF?! I think 8 of them were Dolyak Riders (read: healers), so I don't see how anyone could take that mob on and live. I finally snuck around that giant patrol, only to get jacked repeatedly by Azure Shadows in the final stretch to Copperhammer Mines. I gave up around 4 am LOL... but I am recruiting guildies to help me get through that cursed area. In a way it's kinda fun, even though it pisses me off - it's a new challenge.

Dax · Jul 03, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

Has anyone rushed/been rushed from Droknar's to Granite Citadel? Man the devs sure went haywire in Frozen Forest... what the hell is with all the Summit Arcanists having elite skills? IMO if you cannot capture an elite skill from an enemy, that enemy should not have it. Then there is the matter of the bajillion Stone Summit patrolling the area - I sat back and counted one (1) patrol and it had over 40 dwarves in it! WTF?! I think 8 of them were Dolyak Riders (read: healers), so I don't see how anyone could take that mob on and live. I finally snuck around that giant patrol, only to get jacked repeatedly by Azure Shadows in the final stretch to Copperhammer Mines. I gave up around 4 am LOL... but I am recruiting guildies to help me get through that cursed area. In a way it's kinda fun, even though it pisses me off - it's a new challenge.

The guy up above is charging 4k maybe he can give you a discount for this area

j/k

LathalDraugr · Jul 04, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Dax

Gee, since you profit from it it really doesn't surprise me that you'd see no problem with it. I'm sure people who run bots can give you all sorts of reasons why they do it...and see nothing wrong with it. Does that make it right?

Not at all, but I would like to think that even you would admit there is a clear difference between using an outside program against the EULA to make in-game money (usually to sell on E-Bay) without any effort and single -handedly running from Beacons Perch to Droknars for in-game money to buy yourself a set of 15k armour and nice weapons and equipment.

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Originally Posted by Dax

But that is a cheap shot I appologise. If you actually have people who are running with run through the zone points alive. Rationalising why you do what you do is a separate issue though. If thats the way you want to make money and if they allow it then that's your perrogative. I do notice however no one wants to try to rationalise the actual exploit just the reason for doing so.

Well I would strongly dispute that it is an exploit for a start. Is farming an exploit? Is manipulating the economy an exploit? Because aside from Droknar rushing and the UW/FoW (which us Europeans can rarely get into at reasonable hours) thats pretty much the only way to make enough for 15k armour or pay the prices people want for good weapons and equipment.

I don't see what I do as any worse than what farmers or economists do. We all use game mechanics to make in-game money. And it would be very easy for A.Net to stop us if they felt it was an exploit even without making fighting through much more difficult than it already is. And at the end of the day it's not up to you or me what is an exploit and what is not, it's up to A.net and believe me it would be very easy for them to stop solo runs as they exist right now. But since they haven't yet, there's no way I'm going back to desperately trying to rake together the cash to beat the prices that people who farm 6+ hours a day can afford.

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Originally Posted by Dax

So yea you make alot of money, you have fun, and people who don't want to play through the game get thier armor (and whatever else early) early... I'm sure you see nothing wrong with it. But it doesn't make it right nesessarily.

You're right, not necessarily. But again who decides what's right, you, me, my customers or A.net? I would think it's up to them and I haven't recieved any temp. ban or warning for it so far. A.net doesn't have to put half the effort they do into stopping botting and nerfing farming areas to stop me but they don't so I take that to be at least tolerance if not acceptance or even encouragement.

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Originally Posted by Dax

***Shameless game promotion
Play the game through, enjoy the ride. The developers worked hard so you would have a rich gaming experience. You'll save yourself 4k (atleast) and you'll have a greater sense of satifaction. Imagine you didn't have to pay someone to help you, how cheesy is that? Advice: free of charge

For people on their first time through that's exactly what i say, play through on your own. But for people who've been there, done that and got sick of the griefers and just want to have fun without repeating the less interesting parts, people who only want to PvP etc there's absolutely no reason to run through the jungle and the desert and ascension in order. They've seen those bits getting through them quicker so they can get to FoW/UW, PvP, unlock things for PvP with faction etc should and are allowed to do so and even if I prefer to take my time, those that don't should be allowed to play their way too. (and if it also let's me get the 15k armours, why should I object

)

kleps · Jul 05, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

i still vouch for geo stigma. he ran 5 of us to droknar's for free and he's still fast. awesome, simply awesome.

DragonXOmega · Jul 05, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

some guy (forgot his name) gave me a ride to Droknars. he didnt really care how much we paid. nice guy

Spartan2 · Jul 05, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I have no problem with this because I went through the game the normal way with 3 characters... yes, it took forever and I have still yet to get 2 of them through the Ring of Fire.

Well, since it isn't allowing someone to dupe, I don't have a problem with it.

Two things about this that the rushees need to consider. First, you may be down on gold and the guy may be a scammer, but most importantly, you will be missing out on a lot of opportunities to increase your skill points, attribute points, and the number of skills you have; that is, unless you go back and do the game with your nifty armor

The only advantage this would give someone is better chances for PvE, in all practicality.

kleps · Jul 05, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Spartan2

The only advantage this would give someone is better chances for PvE, in all practicality.

pretty much. most people just want the armor, then the rest of the game is easier. some lvl 10's and below go to the arena's with droknar's armor.

WeiPing · Jul 05, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I actually think it should only be possible to make this run with 2-3 people, although I've made a small fortune running people.

Throw a few ice imps at key locations, and job done.

Dax · Jul 05, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr

Not at all, but I would like to think that even you would admit there is a clear difference between using an outside program against the EULA to make in-game money (usually to sell on E-Bay) without any effort and single -handedly running from Beacons Perch to Droknars for in-game money to buy yourself a set of 15k armour and nice weapons and equipment.

I agree there is a huge difference, but my point is I'm sure if you asked them they would have a reasoned it out that it was ok. So, just because someone 'thinks' it's ok doesn't always make it so.

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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr

Well I would strongly dispute that it is an exploit for a start. Is farming an exploit? Is manipulating the economy an exploit? Because aside from Droknar rushing and the UW/FoW (which us Europeans can rarely get into at reasonable hours) thats pretty much the only way to make enough for 15k armour or pay the prices people want for good weapons and equipment.

I don't see what I do as any worse than what farmers or economists do. We all use game mechanics to make in-game money. And it would be very easy for A.Net to stop us if they felt it was an exploit even without making fighting through much more difficult than it already is. And at the end of the day it's not up to you or me what is an exploit and what is not, it's up to A.net and believe me it would be very easy for them to stop solo runs as they exist right now. But since they haven't yet, there's no way I'm going back to desperately trying to rake together the cash to beat the prices that people who farm 6+ hours a day can afford.

Hrmmm those are sorta loaded questions in the fact that a person CAN exploit the economy and a person CAN exploit farming. But in and of themselves they are not.

I've said a gajillion times, the running of Drokar's isn't exploiting (or anywhere else), it's the method used by some people to do it. Just like there were people exploiting certain things that pertain to farming.... which were exploits.

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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr

You're right, not necessarily. But again who decides what's right, you, me, my customers or A.net? I would think it's up to them and I haven't recieved any temp. ban or warning for it so far. A.net doesn't have to put half the effort they do into stopping botting and nerfing farming areas to stop me but they don't so I take that to be at least tolerance if not acceptance or even encouragement.

For people on their first time through that's exactly what i say, play through on your own. But for people who've been there, done that and got sick of the griefers and just want to have fun without repeating the less interesting parts, people who only want to PvP etc there's absolutely no reason to run through the jungle and the desert and ascension in order. They've seen those bits getting through them quicker so they can get to FoW/UW, PvP, unlock things for PvP with faction etc should and are allowed to do so and even if I prefer to take my time, those that don't should be allowed to play their way too. (and if it also let's me get the 15k armours, why should I object

)

I agree Anet makes the desision, but I ask you this- Don't you someone who especially likes PvP and wants to play through the game, not pay someone to get them through at a disadvantage? I know Anet has to accomodate everyone, but where should the balance tip?

Do you think the game has been balanced for people to wear 15k armor or the armor that that relative level character might play?

Do you think the zone points were meant so high level characters could rez lo level characters?

If the game is that great shouldn't you want to play through it all?

I dunno, like I said I play the game through, sell to merchants and play PvP for fun so all this doesn't really affect me. I just can't belive the length people will go to rush through a game that by most MMO standards is pretty damned easy. It's been out how long now, and how many people here have multiple lvl 20 characters? But that is sorta off topic.

Nessaja · Jul 05, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

There's a really easy way for Anet to fix this, basicly giving the doylak mesmers imaginary burden (they already have it) made it a lot harder already. (impossible without remove hex). More mesmer type skills, or give the ice golems ice spikes would ruin a lot for rushers.

But they simply didnt do that, so they support it.

Aramon · Jul 07, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

These are some prices for runs Anton Hanneman and I do.

Beacon's to Droknar's Forge - 10k
Elona Reach (Completion of Mission) - 4k
Dunes of Despair (Completion of Mission) - 12.5k
Ascalon City to Droknar's Forge - 25k

We will also do custom jobs if asked, for the right amount. Our prices are a little higher than others, because we feel we provide the best and fastest service available. When you want to get somewhere on the map fast, Trust LRS!

WeiPing · Jul 07, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Lol...10k? People actually pay that?

Divinus · Jul 07, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

You can get the Droknars run for as little as 1.5k now. So many people are doing it that it's driven the prices into the ground.

The only reason I'd do it is if I were a warrior. With my caster I rarely get hit anyhow, so the higher armor doesn't make that much of a difference.